I thought it fitting to respond to him in a new post as some of this information is really quite important in understanding the topic that was addressed in the last post
Yes Anarchist I meant to quote (3 Nephi 21: 22) which states, "be numbered among this the remnant of Jacob"… I was hurrying too much when I wrote the post.
Nevertheless, I find it hard to believe that the definition of the “remnant of Jacob” in verse 23 is all of the sudden different from the one given in verse 22. And I find it difficult that you want me to believe it as well…
In fact, these two verses are a very good example of how the Gentiles have corrupted the scriptures by breaking up the Word of God into verses
Read it without the verse format
“But if they will repent and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts, I will establish my church among them, and they shall come in unto the covenant and be numbered among this [the people he was currently speaking to] the remnant of Jacob, unto whom I have given this land for their inheritance; And they shall assist my people, the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem.”
When you read it in a flowing statement as shown above it becomes even more apparent that the people who the righteous gentiles will be assisting are those who Christ visited… those who gained an inheritance upon this land referenced in 3rd Nephi.
Furthermore, verse 22 is verifying that those who repent in the 3rd watch will be numbered among those very Nephites that Christ is speaking too... it is addressing the same topic, namely that the righteous Nephite Zion will be returned to the earth at the time that God sends his servants back to the vineyard... the time when he brings again Zion.
Of course, despite all of the other segments that were shown in my post, the bottom line with regard to identifying who the people are that will go forth among the Gentiles as a lion among sheep is, is very clear if you take the text in 3rd Nephi literally because he is clearly not referring to the posterity of the people he is speaking to, he is speaking to THEM;
“And I say unto you, that if the Gentiles do not repent after the blessing which they shall receive, after they have scattered my people— Then shall YE, [not your posterity that is on the earth in the end times but YE] who are a remnant of the house of Jacob, go forth among them; and ye shall be in the midst of them who shall be many; and ye shall be among them as a lion among the beasts of the forest, and as a young lion among the flocks of sheep, who, if he goeth through both treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver”
The verse is addressing the exact same topic as the ones mentioned in chapter 21 that have to do with the remnant that goes forth among the gentiles as a lion among sheep.
One of the reasons the above scripture in 3rd Nephi is so critical to understand from a prophecy point of view is because it sheds light on a very similar text in Micah.
Yes the prophecy in Micah probably has multiple fulfillments as virtually all Old Testament prophecies do however the fulfillment coming up in the 3rd watch is clearly the literal fulfillment.
Notice how Micah reveals that the return of the righteous Nephite Zion and others come forth when the Davidic Servant of the 3rd watch returns with the seven shepherds and the eight principal men from the 2rd watch at the time that foreign armies invade America;
“Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he [the Assyrian] shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Mimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders. And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the Lord, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men. And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.” (Micah)
The promise of how “his brethren would return” and how this servant would gather the righteous from the 1st, 2nd & 3rd watches is contained in section 101;
“And the lord of the vineyard said unto one of his servants: Go and gather together the residue of my servants, and take all the strength of mine house, which are my warriors, my young men, and they that are of middle age also among all my servants, who are the strength of mine house, save those only whom I have appointed to tarry; And go ye straightway unto the land of my vineyard, and redeem my vineyard; for it is mine; I have bought it with money. Therefore, get ye straightway unto my land; break down the walls of mine enemies; throw down their tower, and scatter their watchmen. And inasmuch as they gather together against you, avenge me of mine enemies, that by and by I may come with the residue of mine house and possess the land. And the servant said unto his lord: When shall these things be? And he said unto his servant: When I will; go ye straightway, and do all things whatsoever I have commanded you; And this shall be my seal and blessing upon you—a faithful and wise steward in the midst of mine house, a ruler in my kingdom.”
Furthermore, that same section provides an unconditional promise to the righteous saints of the 2nd watch that got cast out of Jackson County that they would return to their inheritances and help to build up the waste places of Zion;
“Verily I say unto you, notwithstanding their sins, my bowels are filled with compassion towards them. I will not utterly cast them off; and in the day of wrath I will remember mercy. I have sworn, and the decree hath gone forth by a former commandment which I have given unto you, that I would let fall the sword of mine indignation in behalf of my people; and even as I have said, it shall come to pass.
Mine indignation is soon to be poured out without measure upon all nations; and this will I do when the cup of their iniquity is full. And in that day all who are found upon the watch -tower, or in other words, all mine Israel, shall be saved.
And they that have been scattered shall be gathered. And all they who have mourned shall be comforted. And all they who have given their lives for my name shall be crowned. Therefore, let your hearts be comforted concerning Zion; for all flesh is in mine hands; be still and know that I am God. Zion shall not be moved out of her place, notwithstanding her children are scattered.
They that remain [faithful], and are pure in heart, shall return [in the 3rd watch], and come to their inheritances, they and their children, with songs of everlasting joy, to build up the waste places of Zion—
And all these things that the prophets might be fulfilled. And, behold, there is none other place appointed than that which I have appointed; neither shall there be any other place appointed than that which I have appointed, for the work of the gathering of my saints”
That is an incredible unconditional promise that many of the righteous Saints of the foundation movement that failed to establish Zion will be returned to the earth, just like the righteous Nephites that did establish Zion.
I therefore continue with the following two conclusions;
“the ministry of the Seer and the Spokesman in the 3rd watch is not just taking the word of God to the mortal remnants of Israel which includes the Lamanites, it includes bringing AGAIN Zion. It includes gathering up the strength of his house [from all three watches] to go and tear down the tower of the enemy and then to fight the great battle when the whore gathers against them.”
“Clearly a mortal remnant of the Lamanites will become angry and will marshal themselves to vex the Gentiles and they play an important roll in the civil strive that will take place in the United States as mentioned in the prophecy in section 87 however that prophecy is not referring to the remnant of Jacob that is brought forth from the dust and marshaled by Gods servants to cleanse American and build up the New Jerusalem.”
In fact, you will noticed that the purpose of the prophecy in section 87 is to focus on the topic of REBELLION and the subsequent breakdown of society and the wars that follow and you will notice that the angry lamanites are one of two classes of angry people that marshal themselves;
“And it shall come to pass, after many days, slaves shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshaled and disciplined for war. And it shall come to pass also that the remnants who are left of the land will marshal themselves, and shall become exceedingly angry, and shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation.”
A common interpretation of the “slaves” among LDS is that it has to do with the blacks and race wars, etc. I personally think it makes reference to members of the general populous that have awakened to the realization that they have become slaves and are in bondage to the secret combinations that rule in Babylon.
However, either way you chose to interpret verse 4, it is still referring to another group of angry, non-righteous people who are rising up against their “masters” at the same time that the “remnants of the land are vexing the Gentiles.
The “slaves” are lumped in with the “remnants” in this prophecy about rebellion and wars because both have marshaled themselves and are rebelling.
The angry posterity of the Lamanites is not the group that is marshaled by Gods servant going forth in righteous power to tear down the tower of the enemy, reclaim Zion and go forth among the wicked gentiles... it is just a bunch of angry Lamanite remnants that will do their part in destroying the wicked from off the face of the land.