Saturday, January 10, 2009

This proclamation shall be made to all the kings of the world .. to the honorable president elect

A Generated Crisis

I have felt constrained to wait a little season to post the last part of my tribute to Brother Sidney for some reason.. I hope to do it before he returns.. or at least before he makes his return known.. it may be a little anticlimactic if I don't.

It may be ready in a few days or in a week.. or a month, I'm not sure.

Until then I think I will resume pontificating from time to time.

I have a friend who feels that the prophecy in section 124 pertaining to the president elect is four years away. He could be right, but I don't think so, it is amazing to me how many of the stars seem to be lining and pointing to the time frame that we are in.

Please let me remind you I don't claim to be a prophet, just a watcher.. I watch... watching is what I do.. I just.. watch

I have it on good authority that God is pleased with us when we are watching for the signs pertaining to the preparatory event to his return... even if we mess up on our speculations about prophecy.

He is much happier with someone anxiously engaged in watching and yearning for his return that misinterprets prophecy from time to time than he is with someone to busy doing the tango with Babylon to even try to understand prophecy.. or to even care about the signs of the times around us.

I reserve the right to be wrong on my prophetic and doctrinal interpretations as long as I am sincerely seeking to understand the truth and willing to repent when I find out I have been wrong about something... in fact my son brought something to my attention the other night that opened the eyes of my understanding about something I had been blinded to.... it caused me to acknowledge that I had been wrong about a doctrinal stance I had taken for over a decade... a little humble pie makes for a nice desert every once in a while.

I remember years ago being chastised by someone who pointed out that my beliefs and perspectives and interpretations had evolved a lot during the previous year. The implication was that I should be ashamed for changing my beliefs so radically and that doing such either proves that I was in great darkness to have been wrong or that I certainly must be deceived in the new beliefs.

They then proudly stated that they had had the exact same set of beliefs for decades without having any significant changes in them.

To him, it was a good thing that his beliefs never changed. It was a sign of stability and the fruits of being born into the "true" religion. From my perspective the reason his beliefs had remained the same was because he spent his time reading silly novels and entertaining himself instead of studying the gospel.

I said to him, if I believe exactly the same thing one year from now then it is because I will have been negligent in studying the scriptures. I told him that if I ever stopped evolving in my beliefs, if I ever got to the point where my learning stopped and my beliefs became stagnant I would be very concerned for myself.

I believe that if you have not been translated, there is probably something more you need to be learning and probably a lot of false traditions of your fathers that you need to be unlearning.

So anyway, time to real myself back in and get back on topic.... back to the President Elect prophecy and my interpretation of it.

The following excerpts about President Harrison, who was the President Elect of the United States when the prophecy was given on January 19th 1841 are courtesy of Wikipedia-

"William Henry Harrison (February 9, 1773 – April 4, 1841) was an American military leader, politician, the ninth president of the United States, and the first president to die in office. The oldest president elected until Ronald Reagan in 1980, Harrison had served 31 days in office, still the shortest tenure in United States presidential history, before his death in April 1841. His death created a brief constitutional crisis, but ultimately resolved many questions about presidential succession left unanswered by the Constitution until passage of the 25th Amendment.

Before elected as president, Harrison served as the first governor of the Indiana Territory and later as a U.S. representative and senator from Ohio. Harrison originally gained national fame for leading U.S. forces against American Indians at the Battle of Tippecanoe in 1811, where he earned the nickname "Tippecanoe" (or "Old Tippecanoe"). As a general in the subsequent War of 1812, his most notable contribution was a victory at the Battle of the Thames in 1813, which brought the war in his region to a successful conclusion.

After the war Harrison moved to Ohio, where he was elected to United States Congress and in 1824 to the Senate, where he served a truncated term before being appointed as Minister Plenipotentiary to Colombia in May 1828. In Colombia he lectured Simon Bolivar on the finer points of democracy before returning to his farm in Ohio, where he lived in relative retirement until he was nominated for the presidency in 1836. Defeated, he retired again to his farm before accepting his second presidential nomination in 1840. This brings us to the prophecy contained in section 124 of the D&C, but first, a little more information about this colorful personality-

Before his run for the presidency, Harrison received a little notoriety as an Army General.

"An Indian resistance movement against U.S. expansion had been growing around the Shawnee brothers Tecumseh and Tenskwatawa (The Prophet), that became known as Tecumseh's War. Tenskwatawa convinced the native tribes that they would be protected by the Great Spirit and no harm could befall them if they would rise up against the whites. He encouraged resistance by telling the tribes to only pay white traders half of what they owed, and to give up all the white man's ways, including their clothing, whiskey, and guns. In 1810 Tecumseh, with about 400 armed warriors, traveled to Vincennes were he confronted Harrison and demanded that the Treaty of Fort Wayne be rescinded. Although Harrison refused, the war party left peacefully, but Tecumseh was angry and threatened retaliation. After the meeting Tecumseh journeyed to meet with many of the tribes in the region, hoping to create a confederation with which to battle the Americans.

In 1811, while Tecumseh was still away, Harrison was authorized by Secretary of War William Eustis to march against the nascent confederation, as a show of force. Harrison moved north with an army of more than one thousand men in an attempt to intimidate the Shawnee into making peace. The ploy failed, and the tribes launched a surprise attack on Harrison's army early on the morning of November 6. The ensuing battle became known as the Battle of Tippecanoe. Harrison ultimately won his famous victory at Prophetstown, next to the Wabash and Tippecanoe Rivers. Harrison was publicly hailed as a national hero, despite the fact that his troops had greatly outnumbered the Indian forces, and had suffered many more casualties.

According to a legend, Tecumseh's brother, Tenskwatawa, had placed a curse on Harrison, that would supposedly cause every president to be elected in a year ending with the number zero (which happens every 20 years) to die in office. This Curse of Tecumseh is sometimes called the "zero-year curse". Although there is no documentary evidence to prove the curse was made, it in fact "came true" for Harrison, elected in 1840, as well as for the next six zero-year presidents - Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Harding, Franklin Roosevelt and Kennedy. Ronald Reagan's survival of an assassination attempt seems to have "broken the curse", and, so far, George W. Bush has evaded it.

When Harrison came to Washington, he focused on showing that he was still the steadfast hero of Tippecanoe. He took the oath of office on March 4, 1841, an extremely cold and wet day. Nevertheless, he faced the weather without his overcoat and delivered the longest inaugural address in American history. At 8,444 words, it took nearly two hours to read (even after his friend and fellow Whig, Daniel Webster, had edited it for length). He then rode through the streets in the inaugural parade.

On March 26, Harrison became ill with a cold. The presumptive story, which has become common knowledge despite its falsity, is that the inauguration day exposure was the cause of his illness. In fact, it was more than three weeks after the inauguration before Harrison showed the first signs of ill health. The cold worsened, rapidly turning to pneumonia and pleurisy. According to the prevailing medical misconception of that time, microorganisms being then unknown, it was believed that his illness was directly caused by the bad weather, when, in fact, he was likely a victim of the common cold virus, exacerbated by the drastic pressures of his changed circumstances. He sought to rest in the White House, but could not find a quiet room because of the steady crowd of office seekers; in addition, his extremely busy social schedule made any rest time scarce.

Harrison's doctors tried cures, applying opium, castor oil, Virginia snakeweed, and even actual snakes. But the treatments only made Harrison worse, and he became delirious. He died nine days after becoming ill, at 12:30 a.m., on April 4, 1841, of right lower lobe pneumonia, jaundice, and overwhelming septicemia, becoming the first American president to die in office. His last words were to his doctor, but assumed to be to John Tyler, "Sir, I wish you to understand the true principles of the government. I wish them carried out. I ask nothing more." Harrison served the shortest term of any American president: only 30 days, 12 hours and 32 minutes."

Now then... back to January 19th 1841. God has all time, past present and future continually before his face. He has all knowledge. He doesn't need to guess about or predict future events the way humans do based on historical data, actuarial tables and mathematical probabilities because he has already seen the future! He knows what is going to happen. We live in time, he lives in eternity.

The Lord obviously knew that William Henry Harrison was not going to last 31 days as the President of the United States yet he gives Joseph Smith a revelation telling him to write a proclamation to "all the Kings of the world, to the four corners thereof, to the honorable President Elect and the high-minded Governors of the nation in which you live, and to all the nations of the earth scattered abroad."

Why didn't the Lord identify William Henry Harrison by name in the revelation? Because he was not talking about William Henry Harrison in the revelation! (If you are wondering why I spent all that time telling you about Harrison when in fact the Lord wasn't referring to him... it is because I find him to be a fascinating, character... and I feel that it is appropriate to have a historical background of this political decoy in this revelation)

The Lord also told Smith to have Robert B. Thompson help with the proclamation because he was pleased with him and wanted him to be with Smith. But Thompson died seven months later on August 27, 1841 at the age of 30 without helping to write the proclamation. Certainly God knew that Thompson was going to die and would not possibly be able to help take the proclamation to the four corners of the earth. Joseph Smith appeared convinced that the proclamation did not need to be written immediately in the sense that we understand the term.

I believe Thompson and the others who were called to help Joseph write it either secretly wrote it and seal it up, or helped him write it on the other side of the veil or he will help Joseph write it when they get back on planet earth.

Although inauguration day is January 20th now days, it was to be held on March 4th back then so it appeared back then that the Lord was giving Joseph Smith and his associates about a month and a half to write the proclamation and send it forth.

That is not very much time to orchestrate a missionary effort that would take the proclamation to the four corners of the earth, yet there is no evidence that Joseph Smith ever felt a sense of urgency about this commandment during the next month and a half... How strange... or is it?

Again, God knew that Harrison would not last very long as President. He knew that Robert B. Thompson would be dead in eight months. It appears that He instructed the prophet to not begin writing the proclamation at that time. He knew that the Old Testament prophecies pertaining to the Kings of the Earth were not to unfold until many years later in the third watch.

Again, it appears that Joseph Smith understood that the the proclamation was not to go forth at that time. That is why he was not in any hurry to send it forth to the the four corners of the earth.. whether he and those specifically directed to help him write the proclamation did it in secret and sealed it up or whether they did it on the other side of the veil or whether they will do it in the 3rd watch after they return is not clear nor is it a pressing concern to me at this time.

So, here we are. According to the inspired calendar and acknowledging that the first day of 2009 is actually April 6th 2009, we are still in 2008. According to the my understanding of the 400 year prophecy, the 3rd watch and the voice of warning needs to begin sometime before or possibly on April 6th 2009.

[editorial note: I had no idea at the time that I wrote this that Obama was not a naturally born citizen of the US and that he would continue leading this nation in the executive office as the PRESIDENT ELECT, not as the legal President]

It appears that at about the general time that the acceptable day of the Lord is declared and the appointed time arrives, the Lords people could be in some type of bondage.. perhaps a similar type of bondage that the Children of Israel were in including although not necessarily limited to being oppressed by a foreign tax collector that really had no right to be taxing them. (does the term IRS ring a bell?)

We have been told that the one like Moses will rise up to lead the latter day children of Israel out of bondage.

Isaiah observes that God will give latter day Israel "over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them" he actually refers to the wicked latter day oppressor over Gods people as "Pharaoh". Yet despite being in bondage to an oppressive Pharaoh type, in the book of Ezekiel God assures us that again a servant like Moses will stretch out his arm in power to lead forth Gods people:

Is it a stretch to assume that the one like Moses is a literal descendant of Moses? Is it a stretch to assume that the latter day Pharaoh is a descendant of Pharaoh?

If I'd have written a paper twenty years ago stating that the scriptures present a possible profile of an end time scenario indicating that a descendant of the ancient Pharaoh that Moses petitioned (possibly from a country like Kenya) would be the President Elect of America at the end of the 400 year prophecy, at the time when judgment is about to fall on our nation, at the time when our nation would be overcome by the secret combination that seeks to destroy the freedom of all people, that has controlled the global money system and to a large extent the governments of the world, a secretive group that has orchestrated the global financial meltdown of all of the economies of the world with projected banking holidays, marshal law and civil strife, and the breaking up of this nation scheduled to follow, etc., few people would have believed me. (If you think that is a long sentence, read the Book of Mormon or better yet the D&C!)

Keep in mind the term "President-elect of the United States is the title used for an incoming American president in the period between the general election on Election Day in November and the swearing-in of the new president on Inauguration Day (January 20). The title is used for the apparent winner and is finalized when the Electoral College votes in December and when their ballots are counted by a joint session of Congress in January. A sitting President who has won re-election is not referred to as "President-elect" because he is already in office and is not waiting to become president." Therefore, if the proclamation is to go to the current President Elect, it must take place on or before January 19th.

I realize that the scenario I am presenting is pretty out there... I frankly find it difficult to believe myself.

But when I read in the scriptures about how America will be invaded by foreign armies and then I read articles like this:

"EL PASO -- Former U.S. drug czar Barry McCaffrey contends that millions of people may rush to cross the U.S. border if security conditions worsen and lead to a governmental collapse in Mexico."

"A failure by the Mexican political system to curtail lawlessness and violence could result (in) a surge of millions of refugees crossing the U.S. border to escape the domestic misery of violence, failed economic policy, po verty, hunger, joblessness, and the mindless cruelty and injustice of a criminal state," McCaffrey said in an after-action report based on the Dec. 5-7 International Forum of Intelligence & Security Specialists in Mexico, an advisory group to Mexican law enforcement leaders."

Or I read about Igor Panarin's Forecasts that America will Disintegrate in 2010:

"He based the forecast on classified data supplied to him by FAPSI analysts, he says. He predicts that economic, financial and demographic trends will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S. When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union. Social unrest up to and including a civil war will follow. The U.S. will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in.

California will form the nucleus of what he calls "The Californian Republic," and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of "The Texas Republic," a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an "Atlantic America" that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls "The Central North American Republic." Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.

"It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time." A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. "It's not there for no reason," he says with a sly grin."

Perhaps among the most intriguing things that I have heard lately is an orchestrated warning by people in high places stating that there is going to be a Generated Crisis that will test the President Elect and the American People. Hard decision and unpopular decisions are going to be made.

They are already talking about Crowd Control and Civil Unrest which is coming-

I don't doubt that the secret society behind all secret societies have a generated crisis planned for us, however the the Lord God has a generated crisis planned for them as well.

Praise the Lord God of Israel!


Anonymous said...

I wouldn't worry too much about being wrong about the proclamation going forth this year. Although I still haven't received confirmation from the Spirit concerning this inauguration thing, despite repeated and continual prayers, which lack of personal revelation is a puzzle to me, as if the Lord is intentionally withholding the information, I am confident that the Lord has something special planned.

All the signs, as I read them, point to this, and I still expect that we are going to see and hear something special from the Lord during the inauguration that will take everyone by surprise.

Still, as the wait is driving me up the freaking wall, I continue to importune the Lord for information prior to the fact. It may take a fast on my part to get Him to divulge His plans... If I find anything out beforehand and I am not put under any prohibition from the Lord, I will let you know. Perhaps tomorrow is the day I will receive an answer.

On the other hand, I suppose I could just stop my incessant petitions and just patiently wait and see what happens...

At any rate, as of today, nothing has changed my opinion concerning these prophecies. In fact, I will be very surprised if servants of the Lord do not crash the inaugural party.

Not entirely put together said...

Great post Watching! A few of your comments reminded me of a prophecy attributed to JS:

"There will be two great political parties in this country. One will be called the Republican, and the other the Democrat party. These two parties will go to war and out of these two parties will spring another party which will be the Independent American Party. The United States will spend her strength and means warring in foreign lands until other nations will say, "Let's divide up the lands of the united States", then the people of the US will unite and swear by the blood of their fore-fathers, that the land shall not be divided. Then the country will go to war, and they will fight until one half of the US army will give up, and the rest will continue to struggle. They will keep on until they are very ragged and discouraged, and almost ready to give up--when the boys from the mountains will rush forth in time to save the American Army from defeat and ruin. And they will say, 'Brethren, we are glad you have come; give us men, henceforth, who can talk with God.' Then you will have friends, but you will save the country when it's liberty hangs by a hair, as it were." (Inspired Prophetic Warnings, Duane S. Crowther, 1987 Horizon Publishers & Distributors, Inc., pp. 185-186)

In addition, tonight I was reading D&C 34, and it seems pretty clear that Orson Pratt was to have a keen understanding of latter-day events:

4 And blessed are you because you have believed;
5 And more blessed are you because you are called of me to preach my gospel—
6 To lift up your voice as with the sound of a trump, both long and loud, and cry repentance unto a crooked and perverse generation, preparing the way of the Lord for his second coming.
7 For behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, the time is soon at hand that I shall come in a cloud with power and great glory.
8 And it shall be a great day at the time of my coming, for all nations shall tremble.
9 But before that great day shall come, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon be turned into blood; and the stars shall refuse their shining, and some shall fall, and great destructions await the wicked.
10 Wherefore, lift up your voice and spare not, for the Lord God hath spoken; therefore prophesy, and it shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost

This is just a segment of one discourse Brother Pratt gave concerning the United States in these last days. I thought it might be a particularly entertaining review for ldsanarchy, and yourself, Watching.

"What about my own nation-the American nation? What can I say more than I have said in times that are past? They have had a great desolating war; a war between the North and the South in which many hundreds of thousands were destroyed....That war that destroyed the lives of some fifteen or sixteen hundred thousand people was nothing compared to that which will eventually devastate that country. The time is not very far distant in the future, when the Lord God will lay his hand heavily upon that nation. "How do you know this? inquires one." I know from the revelations which God has given upon this subject. I read these revelations, when they were first given. I waited over twenty-eight years and saw their fulfilment to the very letter. Should I not, then, expect that the balance of them should be fulfilled? That same God who gave the revelations to his servant Joseph Smith in regard to these matters, will fulfil every jot and every tittle that has been spoken concerning that nation. What then will be the condition of that people, when this great and terrible war shall come? It will be very different from the war between the North and the South, Do you wish me to describe it? I will do so. It will be a war of neighborhood against neighborhood, city against city, town against town, county against county, state against state, and they will go forth destroying and being destroyed and manufacturing will, in a great measure, cease, for a time, among the American nation. Why? Because in these terrible wars, they will not be privileged to manufacture, there will be too much bloodshed-too much mobocracy-too much going forth in bands and destroying and pillaging the land to suffer people to pursue any local vocation with any degree of safety. What will become of millions of the farmers upon that land? They will leave their farms and they will remain uncultivated, and they will flee before the ravaging armies from place to place; and thus will they go forth burning and pillaging the whole country; and that great and powerful nation, now consisting of some forty millions of people, will be wasted away, unless they repent." (JoD 20:151)

Weaving the two statements together, it seems that foreign nations will invade the US amidst a civil war (anarchy?). Not new to you, or other seasoned scriptorians, but interesting nonetheless. But all the while, I'm assuming the elect will be actively gathered, that is, after the proclamation is made. Am I accurately describing the chain of events, as you understand it?

Oh, and I'm bummed about having to wait for more on Brother Sidney. Who knows? Maybe he'll show up on my doorstep in the not-so-distant future!

Not entirely put together said...

One more thing. If you were to only read the two previous quotes from JS and OP, I think it becomes quite obvious why the Book of Mormon is for our day. And yet, how often do you hear, "Why do I have to read so much about war in the BoM?" Hmmm.

Someone who is watching said...


Yes, that is how I see it. Unlike many who think we are going to hunker down and experience a prolonged period of tribulation, I believe the scriptures provide a profile wherein the elect are gathered out relatively soon after the servants return and the warning goes forth.

They are gathered to an interim gathering place (the cornerstone of Zion) to tear down the tower of the enemy, avenge the Lord of his enemies and prepare themselves while the Lord cleanses this nation.

Once Jackson County is sufficiently cleansed and every filthy thing wiped off of it, then the Center place shall be reclaimed and Zion shall be established and shall spread forth.

Thank you for providing those references.. they are very pertinent and timely.

It has been a few years since I have read the one by Pratt.

I have "The Masterful Discourses and Writings of Orson Pratt" which I think is becoming somewhat of a collectors item.

I need to re-read it...

Not entirely put together said...

Unfortunately I know very little, close to nothing, about the current state of affairs in Jackson County. When you say the elect will be gathered to tear down the enemy's tower, is there a particular structure you have in mind, or does 'tower' figuratively represent anybody/thing occupying those lands? How much of the land designated by revelation to be Zion are currently owned and occupied by the modern LDS church?

Anonymous said...

Nept, here is a link to an online compilation of LDS prophecy. It may prove useful:

Someone who is watching said...


The cornerstone of Zion is Nauvoo

The structure should not be talked about right now..

How much land the corporate church owns in JC is not an issue in my opinion.. it will be redeemed by blood not money.

NEPT said...

Point taken.

I was just a little confused about the 'cornerstone of Zion'. I had taken Zion to mean New Jerusalem, hence I was thinking about a 'tower' that would have been on the plot over the cornerstone laid for the construction of the temple at New Jerusalem. I am beginning to see that Zion will consist of more than New Jerusalem, but also Nauvoo (might it have another name?), Kirtland (Jerusalem), and other lands settled by early saints in the Mississippi river basin, maybe even extending up to Western New York?

My question about how much land the church owns in JC was not with regard to its redemption BY the church. On the contrary, I was anticipating your answer about the 'tower' and was visualizing the 'TEST..TEST..TEST' that is soon to divide the saints. But since I thought we were talking about the temple plot in JC, I was unsure of what exactly would be 'thrown down'.

Thanks for the clarification (or should I say...warning).

Just Peachy said...

If the work we have done for our dead is not acceptable to the Lord, because the Navaou temple was never completed as commanded, and, according to D&C 128, we are not practicing the law of
Consecration, therefore any work we do for the dead is not accepted, could the towers (I know this sounds horrible), but could the tower be our own temples?

In doing chiasms on some of the sections that you mentioned, I find that perhaps the "enemies" could be those who are outside of "anything more or less than this". (Section 98) I would like to know what you think if you have thought about this.

Someone who is watching said...

Just Peachy-

You said:

"I find that perhaps the "enemies" could be those who are outside of "anything more or less than this"

Great observation. I would have to agree.

Do you do a lot with chiasms?

Do you find that it enhances your searching in the scriptures?

If so, can you give me an example?




Just Peachy said...

Yes, I do a lot with chiasms. I look for similar word patterns, and notice whether or not they are chiastic, then I work out the phrases in between the similar patterns, and do word searches to see if they fit together. For example, I looked at D&C 98, and found a definition of what "constitutional law" is. It is a law that belongs to "all mankind" and is "justifiable before me". If a law doesn't belong to every man in the nation, that law is not a constitutional law. I have put section 98 on my blog if you want to look at it along with the footnotes showing some of the insights I noticed. copy this link and paste it in your address box.

Also, Isaiah 28 when worked out chiastically seems to show that the "one mighty and strong" is a spokesman. This could be Sidney.

Thank you for all the work you have put into providing me with what you have given. I also thank LDS anarcy.