tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post8001964197467700956..comments2023-09-11T02:47:32.772-07:00Comments on Three Watches: Timeline of the Marvelous Work according to section 88Someone who is watchinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-82131449879024268312009-11-23T17:35:28.037-08:002009-11-23T17:35:28.037-08:00Jay that looks like an awesome scripture search en...Jay that looks like an awesome scripture search engine on your site..<br /><br />I look forward to playing with it.<br /><br />Did you build it?<br /><br />Was it built from scratch or does it use some kind of generic word cruncher software?<br /><br />Can you do Boolean searches?<br /><br />Can you put the complete JST in it?<br /><br />Any advantages over the search engine on the church site?<br /><br />WatcherSomeone who is watchinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-57714675726923208032009-11-23T16:38:48.422-08:002009-11-23T16:38:48.422-08:00I come into the middle of this conversation and so...I come into the middle of this conversation and so I am not up on the the prior topics but I think it great to discuss these issues and the interpretation of prophecy while maintaining an open mind on the more "difficult" parts. After all, the signs of the times are intended for the believers and followers of Christ. The wicked don't comprehend them are are going to be quite surprised:<br /><br /><i>1 BUT of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.<br />2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.<br />3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.<br />4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.<br />5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.<br />6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.<br />(New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 5:1 - 6)<br /></i>Jay Mackleyhttp://theholyscriptures.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-57318471844893410692009-07-01T07:59:17.213-07:002009-07-01T07:59:17.213-07:00That is certainly an important question.
It appea...That is certainly an important question.<br /><br />It appears to me that once the missionary part of the great work begins the servants will be sent out to preach and find the elect.<br /><br />However it is possible that in the very early phases of the work, when the servants are making their preparations and perhaps even while they are dealing with the latter day pharaoh that perhaps there will be those who are watching that will seek them out.Someone who is watchinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-66215274591503956352009-06-29T22:17:48.605-07:002009-06-29T22:17:48.605-07:00My burning question now is:
Will they find us or ...My burning question now is:<br /><br />Will they find us or do we find them?TruthSeekerToohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05167470143569702579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-87632846687661117022009-06-15T23:43:41.985-07:002009-06-15T23:43:41.985-07:00Malachi, TruthSeekerToo and Fabledsog-
The commen...Malachi, TruthSeekerToo and Fabledsog-<br /><br />The comments you guys gave caused me to take a second look at the Ten Virgins<br /><br />http://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/a-second-look-at-the-ten-virgins/Someone who is watchinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-6598455887178330482009-06-14T16:43:17.334-07:002009-06-14T16:43:17.334-07:002 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, co...2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.<br /><br />(New Testament | Revelation 21:2)<br /><br />9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.<br />10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,<br /><br />(New Testament | Revelation 21:9 - 10)Fabledsognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-13325176566340556232009-06-14T12:23:12.909-07:002009-06-14T12:23:12.909-07:00Very good points Watcher.
Diggity Dog, Malachi! T...Very good points Watcher.<br /><br />Diggity Dog, Malachi! That is awesome. I actually was acting on a hunch/intuition. I hadn't played it out in my mind yet. All I feel is that there are 3 groups, I assumed one was the bride.<br /><br />There are several things we can explore that might be helpful to figuring this out.<br /><br />We need to remember that the Jewish marriage custom is much different from ours.<br />The couple actually has a marriage covenant with eachother before the marriage celebration and consumation-12 months later. In fact, they would need a formal bill of divorce within that 12 months-before the marriage is consumated.<br /><br />So, the 10 virgins are at the point where the bridegroom has come to claim his bride. Is that correct? If so, it might strengthen my position since the bride & groom are one in a legal (and maybe spiritual) sense just not a physical sense.<br /><br />The bride is already at the feast. Does she play into the parable at all?<br /><br />Why two groups of 5? The number 5 is often used to denote "carnal senses" or materiality. Would 10 signify the tribes of Isreal?<br /><br />The biggest impact comes from vs 11 & 12. Gives me goosbumps. We have heard that saying before!<br /><br />3 Nephi 14:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. <br /> 22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name, and in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works? <br /> 23 And then will I profess unto them: I never knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity. <br /><br /><br />Isaiah 29:13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: <br /> 14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.<br /><br />It is also interesting that in the very next parable there are 3 groups/individuals talked about. Ok, I'm gonna do some more study on this...TruthSeekerToonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-50147753516641722382009-06-14T10:58:29.485-07:002009-06-14T10:58:29.485-07:00Hi truth seeker too,
I was showing my wife the la...Hi truth seeker too,<br /><br />I was showing my wife the last few comments on the parable and as I was reading the parable I think I see what you are referring to. So I wanted to paraphrase it and see if that's what you meant.<br /><br />1. one group (verse 9, the foolish telestial virgins) is sent off to buy and sell.<br /><br />2. one group is ready (verse 10, is the first and only mention of the Celestial) and goes into the marriage with him.<br /><br />3. finally a group of virgins (verses 11-12, the wise terrestrial virgins) come wanting to enter and the Lord tells them he doesn't know them.<br /><br />If that's what you are saying, I like it a lot. Is that it?Malachihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04290166725083917691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-51655114501787972302009-06-14T01:51:45.220-07:002009-06-14T01:51:45.220-07:00TruthSeekerToo
Thank you for sharing your belief ...TruthSeekerToo<br /><br />Thank you for sharing your belief about parable.<br /><br />One can argue that the wise virgins are invited to the marriage but do not represent the Bride. <br /><br />Perhaps they are friends of the bridegroom or the brides maids.<br /><br />That would be consistent with your belief that there is another group who is one with the bridegroom. (However the bride and bridegroom are not usually "one" until after the marriage ceremony.)<br /><br />This scenario would strongly suggest that the wise virgins are terrestrial instead of celestial.<br /><br />I am open to that possibility and can think of several reasons why that might be the case..<br /><br />On the other hand, terrestrial law is the law of justice, not mercy.. and therefore, taking the holy spirit as their guide seems a little inconsistent with those who live the law of justice, unless they take the holy spirit as their guide AFTER their pain, and AFTER they are judged for their works as are men in the flesh, etc.<br /><br />Another consideration to be considered, is that the parable begins by saying the Kingdom of Heaven shall be likened to ten virgins which took their lamps and went forth to meet the bridegroom.<br /><br />Is the kingdom of Heaven being likened to ten virgins or is it being likened to ten virgins and a bridegroom?<br /><br />The JST provides additional clarification by prefacing the parable with;<br /><br />"And then, at that day, before the Son of Man comes..."<br /><br />Of course now we need to determine if the JST is referring to an event taking place in the sixth day before the Son of Man comes in secret, or is it referring to the seventh day before the Son of man comes in his glory.<br /><br />If indeed the sum total of the inhabitants of the kingdom of heaven are being likened to five wise and five foolish virgins, or in other words two categories of souls, then that would suggest that during the day being mentioned there will be two classes of souls in the kingdom, which would probably be celestial and terrestrial, which would indicate that the wise virgins are celestial.<br /><br />Hopefully I have caused enough confusion here to motivate other comments as to why the wise virgins are either terrestrial or celestial.Someone who is watchinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-5144950178579415382009-06-13T21:12:47.255-07:002009-06-13T21:12:47.255-07:00I'm way out of my league, but I have a comment...I'm way out of my league, but I have a comment.<br /><br />You guys are touching a bit on the 10 virgin parable.<br />I feel strongly that there is another group of people involved that are "higher" than the virgins.<br />In other words, I believe there is a group that is ONE with Christ (the bride?) and the virgins <i>belong</i> to Christ.<br /><br />Sorry if this doesn't relate to the topic. I will probably have to read this 5-6 times to get it.TruthSeekerToonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-47944441970493628992009-06-13T11:28:52.732-07:002009-06-13T11:28:52.732-07:00Malachi
I really appreciate your comments and you...Malachi<br /><br />I really appreciate your comments and your willingness to challenge what I say when you disagree. <br /><br />That is the process by which we learn.<br /><br />There is something about writing our thoughts down that is sometimes more helpful than verbal communications.<br /><br />I am very open to your interpretation of 92... in fact I thought of another passage of scripture in section 58 that appears to substantiate your interpretation.<br /><br />Perhaps we can discuss it in our weekly telestudy tomorrow.<br /><br />WatcherSomeone who is watchinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-91717411510138128352009-06-13T05:36:32.744-07:002009-06-13T05:36:32.744-07:00Hi Watcher,
Sorry for misquoting you, It wasn'...Hi Watcher,<br /><br />Sorry for misquoting you, It wasn't my intention. My intent was to make a distinction between the phrases "opening of the 7th seal" and the "7th thousand years". <br /><br />I thought I read you using the first phrase "opening of the 7th seal" which I didn't read in 77:12my mistake. <br /><br />That was it.<br /><br />As for the inhabitants of the earth. Yes I did check that out and of course it's the wicked. But I don't see a problem with the saints being gather in unto one place at the same time the final warning going out to the inhabitants of the world.<br /><br />Personally I appreciate these discussions with you, I hope you do also. Most of my study is inside my own beady little head and it helps clarify when I have a chance to express it out loud. Thank you for your time and effort.Malachihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04290166725083917691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-43034810642958164562009-06-12T08:17:30.370-07:002009-06-12T08:17:30.370-07:00Malachi
One other clarification
I said;
"S...Malachi<br /><br />One other clarification<br /><br />I said;<br /><br />"Section 77 states that it is in the beginning of the seventh seal that God will “finish his work” complete the salvation of man” and “JUDGE ALL THINGS”."<br /><br />you responded to my above statement claiming that I said that "the Lord finishes his work with the opening of the 7th Seal, which is not what I said;<br /><br />"Section 77:12 doesn't say that the Lord finishes his work with the opening of the 7th seal (which I believe is 2012). It says that he finishes his work with the seventh thousand years (which we all agree [begins in]2033)."<br /><br /><br />Perhaps the best thing to do is to simply provide the quote from D&C 77 so that we won't superimpose our own words.<br /><br />"We are to understand that as God made the world in six days, and on the seventh day he finished his work, and sanctified it, and also formed man out of the dust of the earth, even so, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years will the Lord God sanctify the earth, and complete the salvation of man, and judge all things and shall redeem all things except that which he hath not put into his power, when he shall have sealed all things unto the end of all things..."<br /><br />One other thing, if your interpretation is correct, that verse 92 represents the waking up of the ten virgins and the gathering of the righteous elect to Nauvoo, then the ministry of the servants in phase three of the time line will have failed to gather the elect and they will not be gathered until after the wrath of the elements in phase four.<br /><br />I think that is inconsistent with other scriptures. <br /><br />of course, one major issue having to do with this is whether the five wise virgins are the celestial or terrestrial saints.<br /><br />If indeed the wise virgins are celestial, I believe they are gathered out in the first harvest, during the ministry of the first elders of the last kingdom, when the bridegroom has returned in secret, BEFORE the remaining wicked inhabitants of the world are called to meet the bridegroom when he comes in his glory.Someone who is watchinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-25867933355014442722009-06-12T07:39:28.611-07:002009-06-12T07:39:28.611-07:00Malachi
Regarding your statement;
"And beca...Malachi<br /><br />Regarding your statement;<br /><br />"And because of the statment in verse 92 "the bridgroom cometh go ye out to meet him" I believe is calling the wise virgins to the marriage"<br /><br />If you are correct, then the ten virgins in the parable would represent the whole world including the ungodly, not just the two groups of believers.<br /><br />Have you done a key phrase search on "inhabitants of the world"?<br /><br />I guess we can just a agree to disagree on this for now.Someone who is watchinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-75649897541872093752009-06-12T07:11:38.091-07:002009-06-12T07:11:38.091-07:00Wow Watcher thanks for that effort in presenting y...Wow Watcher thanks for that effort in presenting your concerns. Since you are the only one who seems to be interested in what I've said it would be a lot easier to clean this up face to face and yet there is some virtue in the thinking process required to write thoughts down.<br /><br />Several things popped out at me as I read your comments. I certainly agree that my presenation can be confusing but that it still boils down, at least to me, that there is a differece in the terminology of the opening of the 7th seal and the 7th thousand year period of time. Section 77:12 doesn't say that the Lord finishes his work with the opening of the 7th seal (which I believe is 2012). It says that he finishes his work with the seventh thousand years (which we all agree is 2033).<br /><br />But that is all old hat though still confusing and maybe we can chew on that some more later on. More interesting to me is your interpretation of 88:92. I appreciate your thinking but can't agree with it. <br /><br />Verse 92 not only says that the judgment of our God is come but also that the bridgroom cometh go ye out to meet him.<br /><br />I think that this verse speaks of two things. <br /><br />1. Verse 92 begins the final process of warning and sealing up the wicked (C/R Section 1:1-5) that will be accomplished by verse 94 where is says they are bound in bundles. I think D&C 1:1-5 is speaking of this time as the servants switch from their soft beginning in 88:74-83 to one of going forth and no one can stop them.<br /><br />2. And because of the statment in verse 92 "the bridgroom cometh go ye out to meet him" I believe is calling the wise virgins to the marriage. It begins a process of bringing in all the wise virgins who are (1Ne14:12) "the saints of God...upon all the face of the earth" into the chambers of Nauvoo.<br /><br />I believe that probation is over, done with, finished in 88:94 with the trump long and loud and the tares are bound in bundles, not in 88:92.<br /><br />I can certainly see what you are saying about 88:83-84 about preparing the saints for the hour of judgment. But I believe that the saints have to gathered into the chambers of Nauvoo first before they can finish the process of sealing up the law and binding up the testimony. Not only do I think that 88:87 is out of place but also that 88:84 is speaking of a longer process that is begun by the gathering of the saints and is completed in Nauvoo when the trump sounds both long and loud.Malachihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04290166725083917691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-76529336581097851702009-06-11T08:41:16.163-07:002009-06-11T08:41:16.163-07:00Continued...
Furthermore, verse 92 is not tellin...Continued...<br /><br />Furthermore, verse 92 is not telling them to go into the marriage, but rather it is announcing the time for them to be judged.<br /><br />Now then, to provide a short recap of why I feel the way I do;<br /><br />One of the story lines contained in section 88 begins in verse 84 which speaks about the need for the servants to bind up the law and seal up the testimony and to prepare the Saints for the HOUR OF JUDGMENT WHICH IS TO COME.<br /><br />The very next time that section 88 mentions the word judgment is in verse 92. <br /><br />“FOR THE JUDGMENT OF OUR GOD IS COME”<br /><br />It seems to me that verse is referring to the hour of judgment referred to back in verse 83.<br /><br />Shortly after the ominous declaration in verse 92, we are informed that the wicked tares of the earth have all been bound in bundles… which indicates to me that they have been judged and their agency has now been taken away.<br /><br />It seems to me that the scriptures and common sense indicate that the time of judgment takes place after probation is over. <br /><br />I don’t think the Lord is going to do a final judgment on anyone before their time of agency and probation has been completed.<br /><br /> Section 77 states that it is in the beginning of the seventh seal that God will “finish his work” complete the salvation of man” and “JUDGE ALL THINGS”.<br /><br />Being bound in bundles sounds to me like the RESULTS of the judgment that has already taken place. This would provide a confirmation that the hour of judgment and the seventh temporal millennium did begin in verse 92.<br /><br />Having said all that, I reserve the right to change my mind at any time without notice.<br /><br />I appreciate your comments and acknowledge that you have possibly spent more time in Book of Revelation than I. <br /><br />As the resident expert on this topic I value your insight and input.<br /><br />WatcherSomeone who is watchinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-56753108613758213172009-06-11T08:40:29.519-07:002009-06-11T08:40:29.519-07:00Malachi
I am going to need to use two replies sin...Malachi<br /><br />I am going to need to use two replies since my comments exceed 4,000 characters. <br /><br />Part One<br /><br />I guess the conflict, or confusing thing in my mind is that one of your statements appears to put the ½ hour of silence completely in the seventh seal (seventh temporal millennium) while the other comment you made states that it begins in the sixth seal (sixth temporal millennium), 20 years before the beginning of seventh seal (seventh temporal millennium). <br /><br />I don’t see how that is possible without having an overlap similar to Edmonds… which you said you did not agree with.<br /><br />If I understand some of your previous statements, you sometimes interpret the scriptural usage of a “seal” to be one of the 7 temporal millenniums as defined by JS in section 77 and other times you do not feel that the term should be interpreted that way. <br /><br />I disagree with that, and don’t think you have provided a scriptural basis for your belief, but, that doesn’t mean that your feelings are wrong about that.<br /><br /> As you have pointed out, we will know pretty soon.<br /><br />The main purpose of this post was really just to emphasis that the Marvelous Work portion of the timeline (as provided in section 88) could be a soft beginning without trumps, earthquakes, bells and whistles, etc. and that it could have already started or could be very soon. <br /><br />I only included the seventh seal portion of this post because section 88 addresses it.<br /><br />Nevertheless, I appreciate you bringing it up so that we can discuss and better understand the various ways of interpreting the later events that happen in the seventh millennium that are described in the Book of Revelation.<br /><br />As you know, I have vacillated back and forth over the years about which verse in section 88 marks the end of probation and the beginning of the hour of judgment.<br /> <br />As I told you the other day, I used to think that verse 92 which speaks of going out to meet the Bridegroom, was referring to the literal fulfillment of the parable of the ten virgins. <br /><br />If such was the case, I think it would be taking place in the sixth temporal seal, during probationary time. However, after doing a key word phrase search on “inhabitants of the world”, I have come to realize, that this verse in not referring to the two groups of people, referred to as the wise and foolish virgins who all believe in Christ and are on their way to the marriage, rather, it is speaking about the ungodly world who are left after the wise virgins have already entered into the marriage. <br /><br />...to be continuedSomeone who is watchinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-63356217860190572712009-06-11T05:33:32.199-07:002009-06-11T05:33:32.199-07:00Hi there Watcher,
This is communication at it'...Hi there Watcher,<br /><br />This is communication at it's best just like we talked about last week at the monastary.<br /><br />I don't see what problem exists with the two quotes. I'm seeing my communications as being very consistent. So is it my english or my mind that's floating around in outer space?<br /><br /><br />"I see the 7th seal beginning with the half hour of silence and your phase 6."<br /><br />"I believe that the 7th seal is opened by the Lamb and the 1/2 hour of silence begins in 2012 a little over 20 years before the <br />7th thousand years begins."<br /><br />Where's the conflict?Malachihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04290166725083917691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-42638521828821524722009-06-10T14:14:45.488-07:002009-06-10T14:14:45.488-07:00Okay, I will resubmit (according to my memory...)
...Okay, I will resubmit (according to my memory...)<br /><br />Younger Dude, my understanding of why "there shall be time no longer" is because the Earth will be captured by a brown dwarf star. It will no longer orbit our current Sun. Here is a description from <a href="http://www.holoscience.com/synopsis.php?page=10" rel="nofollow">holoscience</a>:<br /><br />"The most benign situation for life in an Electric Universe is inside the electrical cocoon of a brown dwarf star. Radiant energy is then evenly distributed over the entire surface of any planet orbiting within the chromosphere of such a star, regardless of axial rotation, tilt, or orbital eccentricity.<br /><br />"The exceedingly thin atmosphere of such stars has the essential water and carbon compounds to mist down onto planetary surfaces. The reddish light is ideal for photosynthesis. Such a model provides one reason why the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) project is unlikely to succeed. Any advanced civilization on such a planet will be unaware that the universe exists outside its own stellar environment, and radio communication through the glow discharge of the star is impossible!"<br /><br />This is why the Earth will receive its paradisaical glory, becoming again like the Garden of Eden. Conditions within the electrical cocoon are such that there is no day and night, only a constant day, no matter where you are on the planet.<br /><br />To understand this stuff, you've got to learn about plasma cosmology. I recommend that you read everything on holoscience for starters, if you are not familiar with plasma cosmology. Hope this helps a little.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-42453916308935046162009-06-10T09:25:14.619-07:002009-06-10T09:25:14.619-07:00LDSAnarchist
I don't recall seeing a comment ...LDSAnarchist<br /><br />I don't recall seeing a comment to YD come in from you.<br /><br />Please resubmit<br /><br />WatcherSomeone who is watchinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-19959809606828692502009-06-10T08:53:26.932-07:002009-06-10T08:53:26.932-07:00A couple of days ago I posted a response to YD'...A couple of days ago I posted a response to YD's question about "there shall be time no longer." Did my comment not go through or is it still in moderation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-1382626673106067812009-06-08T20:47:01.099-07:002009-06-08T20:47:01.099-07:00Malachi my friend-
In responding to this post you...Malachi my friend-<br /><br />In responding to this post you made the following statement;<br /><br />"I see the 7th seal beginning with the half hour of silence and your phase 6."<br /><br />But on the Anarchy site several days ago you made this statement;<br /><br />"I believe that the 7th seal is opened by the Lamb and the 1/2 hour of silence begins in 2012 a little over 20 years before the 7th thousand years begins."<br /><br />It seems that in the first comment you are saying the half hour of silence is in the beginning of the seventh seal. Yet in the second comment you made, it sounds like you are saying that the half hour of silence begins 20 years before the seventh seal..<br /><br />Am I missing something here?<br /><br />I want to respond to your remarks, but I can't hit a moving target... you need to stand still for me. lol<br /><br />WatcherSomeone who is watchinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-15988096699088031502009-06-07T14:07:02.530-07:002009-06-07T14:07:02.530-07:00Hi there watcher,
As always I deeply appreciate yo...Hi there watcher,<br />As always I deeply appreciate you, your ideas and your blogs.<br /><br />I don't think it's totally important that we agree on everything without the 1st Elders around. But for discussion sake here's some of my thoughts and reasons.<br /><br />I agree whole heartily with phases 1-4. I see them all occuring in the 6th seal. But I also place your phase 5 in the 6th seal. <br /><br />I see the 7th seal beginning with the half hour of silence and your phase 6.<br /><br />I come to this conclusion when I compare Rev 8:1 where it says that when the 7th seal is opened there is silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. So therefore the 7th seal doesn't begin in 88 until verse 95 where the half hour of silence begins.<br /><br />I believe that the half hour of silence gets it's name because there are no trumps. So I don't see angels sounding trumps during that time period.<br /><br />I also compare the angels of 88:92 with the three angels in Rev 14:6-10 which would place these two references of angels flying through the midst of heaven in the 6th seal.<br /><br />Finally I believe that probation, where men can repent of their evil, ends when the trump sounds both long and loud and the wicked are sealed up to their destruction which also takes place just before the opening of the 7th seal.<br /><br />For what it's worth there you go Bro Watcher.Malachihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04290166725083917691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-91627346599819818892009-06-06T22:17:29.546-07:002009-06-06T22:17:29.546-07:00It does have to do with that doctrine.
Thanks for...It does have to do with that doctrine.<br /><br />Thanks for reminding me about that, I still need to do a post on the "other" Adam God Doctrine that Brigham taught.<br /><br />But for now, let me just say that verse 75 infers that the God who created Christ may be different than the God that created us.<br /><br />While Christ is affectionately referred to as our "elder brother" sometimes, I would submit that it is incorrect to assume that he was created in the same generation of of organized intelligence that the inhabitants of this world were created in.<br /><br />In fact, the scriptures state that he is the God that created us.<br /><br />If in fact he went through a mortal probation and eventually attained Godhood before coming to this earth to atone for our sins, it stands to reason that he was created by a God further up the latter than the God that created us.<br /><br />I wish you would hurry up and get married so that I can get into some really deep doctrine with you.Someone who is watchinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-30004728541397838732009-06-06T14:27:04.673-07:002009-06-06T14:27:04.673-07:00I am attached to time! I like it. I don't wa...I am attached to time! I like it. I don't want it to go away - lol. <br /><br />Your explanation makes sense and appeals to my need for some form of reckoning. I don't want to get to the "time no longer" phase and suddenly lose all measure of time.<br /><br />On to something else.<br /><br />You said:<br />"This is done so that Christ can testify unto their Father and God as well as to Christ’s God that the first laborers are clean from the blood of this current generation."<br /><br />Is this the "other" hard to refute Adam-God doctrine you promised to explain sometime?Younger Dudenoreply@blogger.com