tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post4752974977685740494..comments2023-09-11T02:47:32.772-07:00Comments on Three Watches: A misunderstandingSomeone who is watchinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08266423098112644052noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-54956234896557746412009-04-24T12:22:00.000-07:002009-04-24T12:22:00.000-07:00Anon1-thank you for distinguishing yourself!
I agr...Anon1-thank you for distinguishing yourself!<br />I agree we are all prideful. I just disagreed with the delivery. Probably because of my pride. ;)<br /><br />------------<br />What is baptism? Rebirth. Spiritual rebirth.<br /><br />We have an outward ordinance that we participate in to symbolize it. But the outward oridinance is actually pretty meaningless. We miss the point when we focus on the outer rituals.<br /><br />D&C 22<br />1 Behold, I say unto you that all aold covenants have I caused to be done away in this thing; and this is a new and an everlasting covenant, even that which was from the beginning. <br /><B> 2 Wherefore, although a man should be baptized an hundred times it availeth him nothing, for you cannot enter in at the strait gate by the alaw of Moses, neither by your dead works. </B> 3 For it is because of your dead works that I have caused this last covenant and this church to be built up unto me, even as in days of old. <br /><br /><br /><br />So, I guess my question would be, if baptism isn't the outward ordinance what is it?TruthSeekerToonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-50061477162210448232009-04-24T08:09:00.000-07:002009-04-24T08:09:00.000-07:00TruthSeekerToo=),
I am the first Anon, the second...TruthSeekerToo=),<br /><br />I am the first Anon, the second post about "both" being prideful (I assume me and OneWhoIsWatching) were not posted by me, but another anon. From now on I will be Anon 1=). I will pick a handle soon enough but I want to get a blog up first.<br /><br />Baptism can be seen as just being everything and consecration can be seen as just hiding up your stuff in the earth to God (but that would most likely not be a very effective consecration).<br /><br />I guess I am just trying to bring up the danger in making the scriptures say what ever we want them to instead of what they do. They never say that consecration is included with baptism, of course the "consecration mentality" (the willingness to consecrate) should certainly be present but actually requiring all to give up what they have, that comes later in the gospel, still required, but it is not required AT baptism, the scriptures never say so.<br /><br />In regards to my needing to give up my "pride and foolishness"... like Watcher, I agree. Don't we all? That is something that is in the scriptures...<br /><br />Anon1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-31141911787078638642009-04-23T20:19:00.000-07:002009-04-23T20:19:00.000-07:00OKAY, it is very hard to understand the comments a...OKAY, it is very hard to understand the comments and where they are directed when everyone calls themself anonymous. Are the two anon posts from the same person??? <br /><br />I don't think it is necessery to tell people they are prideful and foolish. Especially if you aren't even going to pick a handle do it with. <br /><br />/rant<br /><br /><br />I apologize for my rant. =)TruthSeekerToonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-24868267603177504672009-04-23T18:25:00.000-07:002009-04-23T18:25:00.000-07:00I think that you are both right in some respects a...I think that you are both right in some respects and both equaly wrong in your pride and foolishness. You should both humble yourselves and remember that man is but Dust and we are all unworthy beings before an all<br />knowing powerful God.<br /> 15 Yea, I say unto you come and fear not, and lay aside every sin, which easily doth abeset you, which doth bind you down to destruction, yea, come and go forth, and show unto your God that ye are willing to repent of your sins and enter into a covenant with him to keep his commandments, and witness it unto him this day by going into the waters of baptism. <br />11 And again I say unto you as I have said before, that as ye have come to the knowledge of the glory of God, or if ye have known of his goodness and have atasted of his love, and have received a bremission of your sins, which causeth such exceedingly great joy in your souls, even so I would that ye should remember, and always retain in remembrance, the greatness of God, and your own cnothingness, and his dgoodness and long-suffering towards you, unworthy creatures, and humble yourselves even in the depths of ehumility, fcalling on the name of the Lord daily, and standing gsteadfastly in the faith of that which is to come, which was spoken by the mouth of the angel. <br /> Let us remain ever Brothers and feed on the Love of Christ and not have the dificullties that the Lord rejected his church. Remember bretheren.<br />1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not acharity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. <br /> 2 And though I have the gift of aprophecy, and understand all bmysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. <br /> 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the apoor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. <br /> 4 aCharity bsuffereth long, and is ckind; charity denvieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, <br /> • • •<br /> 8 Charity never afaileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. <br /> • • •<br /> 13 And now abideth afaith, bhope, ccharity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity<br /> I love you all!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-80436944620253787682009-04-23T15:39:00.000-07:002009-04-23T15:39:00.000-07:00Well, the gospel is baptism. So in that regards co...Well, the gospel is baptism. So in that regards consecration is baptism which is the gospel.<br /><br />D&C 39:6<br />And this is my gospel—repentance and baptism by water, and then cometh the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost, even the Comforter, which showeth all things, and teacheth the peaceable things of the kingdom. <br /><br /><br />You could bury all your stuff in the ground and "hide it up unto the Lord" as a consecration. Although that probably shouldn't be done until all the poor people are fed.<br /><br />Helaman 13:19<br /> 19 For I will, saith the Lord, that they shall hide up their treasures unto me; and cursed be they who hide not up their treasures unto me; for none hideth up their treasures unto me save it be the righteous; and he that hideth not up his treasures unto me, cursed is he, and also the treasure, and none shall redeem it because of the curse of the land. <br /><br /><br />When Jesus told the rich man what he needed to do to enherit eternal life He didn't say "bring me all your money" He said sell it all and give it to the poor.<br /><br />In my mind it is not so much "giving" or "paying." We are leaving it behind. Leaving behind the physical world to be born spiritually.<br /><br />Is it all semantics? Maybe.TruthSeekerToonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1749680236621844342.post-76247345149014516902009-04-23T07:55:00.000-07:002009-04-23T07:55:00.000-07:00Thanks for posting!
I can honestly tell you that ...Thanks for posting!<br /><br />I can honestly tell you that we have never gotten into another debate on anything, I think you are confusing me with another. You and I have never really interacted online (as far as I know... apart from my reading of your blog).<br /><br />At this point we will just have to agree to disagree. You still feel that consecration of physical belongings is a requirement of baptism and I still feel that while it is a gospel requirement it is not a baptismal requirement. I still hold that people being expected to give money (or any physical thing) to be baptized is not the way the Lord works.<br /><br />But again, thanks for posting my reply for others to read.<br /><br />Regarding the !#@%!.... I hardly think it was that bad and from where I was coming from (my belief that you were intentionally not publishing my response to avoid discussing possibilities of your post containing incorrect doctrinal assumptions) I think that what I wrote was fairly direct and straightforward. <br /><br />The comment about "pride" was obviously not as applicable as I initially thought it was (although you have to admit that your initial reply treated me like I just didn't "get it" which I admit added fuel to the fire=)).<br /><br />In closing, I intend to continue reading your blog, I have found some great information and plan on continuing learning. Of course, we both know that i will gladly speak up if I think I have something to add=).<br /><br />Have a great day!<br /><br />Anon... (I am wondering if I should post my real name... but this is far more fun=)<br /><br />However, as i stated previously, I am used o eating humble pie and will gladly do so know. Since you have informed me that you simply never received my postAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com